J Class Tanks (Class F before 1900)

In 1900 all of the water tanks used by the W.A.G.R. were grouped together as class J. This included some bogie and six-wheeled vehicles as well as the normal four wheelers. These have their own separate pages. The four wheelers have a very complicated history. As with the Z class brake vans I will adopt an unofficial "type" system to distinguish between the various J class tanks. As usual these are colour coded on this page.

In the early years of the W.A.G.R there were relatively few water tank wagons. The first was built in 1885 and was followed by another in 1886, one more in 1887 and a fourth in 1889. There the total stayed until 1892. These first 4 wagons were likely to have been built on 15' Metropolitan RC&WCo chassis and were probably numbers 90, 98, 141 and 142. In 1900 F90 became J4918 because there were two wagons numbered 90.

In 1892 the total doubled to 8 with another 4 the following year, not necessarily all of the same type. By 1900 there were fourteen 1312 gallon iron tanks on MRCWCo frames according to a 1903 diagram with 7 left by 1903 and none the following year. It is not clear if the tanks were scrapped or ended up on other underframes.

Type 1 - 15-0" wooden frames of the WAGR's original Metropolitan RCWCo type with 1312 gallon rectangular iron tanks. Possibly numbers

90, 98, 140, 141, 142, 176, 205, 2 ,3, 4, 103

Higher numbers

1063, 1064, 1065, 1066, 1067, 1068, 1069, 1070, 1071, 1072, 1073, 1074, 1075, 1076, 1077 from where?

All of the other MRCWCo wagons were built before 1893 and numbered below 450 except for a few cases where numbers were duplicated. There were 2 wagons numbered 90 in 1900 and the tank wagon F90 became J4918.

F1068. a 1312 gallon iron tank on a MRCWCo 15' underframe. The mystery with this one and indeed the whole 1063-1077 group is why the high numbers?

Until the Goldfields' water supply scheme was completed there were several years where standard wagons from classes G and H were temporarily converted to water tanks during the summer and then re-converted during the winter. They did not always go back to the same type that they had started out as. Tanks were rectangular and made of either wood or iron.

Four J class water tanks at Midland Workshops circa 1905. Three of the four are 1312 gallon wooden tanks on the NZR chassis (type 3) whilst the other one with the prominent side stanchions has a 1390 gallon tank on the same underframe (type 4). The third tank from the left has a side discharge valve for supplying remote outposts of the W.A.G.R. (ARHS collection)

Type 2 - 14'-0" chassis with 1312 gallon wooden tanks.

In 1903 there were six 1312 wooden tanks on 14' underframes according to the diagram from this period. This total reduced to four in 1908 but there were still four in 1912. It is likely that these wagons were built on 14' ex GSR underframes. It is known that 4229, 4241, 4242, 4249, 4252, 4253, 4255, 4258, 4262 from the ex GSR number series were all J class tanks in 1900. These had all gone by 1908 being replaced by new wagons in classes D (4255) in 1905, HA (4249, 4253) also in 1905, and GC (4229, 4241, 4242, 4252, 4258, 4262) in 1908. This is obviously a problem. Only 4229 of the above should have been on a 14' chassis.

4201-4240 = G 4241-4265 = I

4266-4315 = G

This 1312 wooden tank is not on a NZR type underframe or one of the MRCWCo ones and the tank reaches almost to the buffer beams at each end so this must be one of the 14' long wagons.

There were a number of variations on a theme with the N.Z.R. 15'-0" underframe. Frustratingly many underframes in this group carried more than one type of tank and this makes life rather difficult for the historian.

Type 3 had a 1312 gallon wooden tank on the 15'-0" NZR underframe. This was the type that was frequently built in a hurry on G or H class wagon underframes.

Some of these wagons such as J3700 at right had the no floor or curbrails whilst the more common variant in the photo above did.

A more permanent variation on the NZR chassis had a 1312 gallon rectangular iron tank (type 4). It is possible that these rectangular tanks came from the older MRCWCo wagons as they were written off and were fitted to NZR type frames in the 1900-1909 period.

The tank in the photo at left appears to be J294. J294 had gained an iron tank by 1926.

Another group (type 5) had a 1390 gallon wooden tank on the N.Z R. underframe.

The photo shows J2845 at Midland Workshops. This is the only clear shot that I have of one of these in WAGR livery. A 1903 diagram lists 40 of this type and they may be in the series 2802-2846 which all seem to have been J class tanks in 1900. Nine of these disappeared in 1907-8

1897-1899

2671, 2672, 2673, 2674, 2675, 2691, 2692, 2693, 2694, 2695, 2696, 2697, 2698, 2699, 2700, 2702, 2703, 2704, 2705, 2707, 2708, 2709, 2710, 2711, 2712, 2713, 2714, 2715, 2716, 2717, 2718, 2719, 2720, 2738, 2740, 2746, 3700, 3701, 3702, 3703, 3704, 3705, 3706, 3707, 3708, 3709, 3710, 3711, 3712, 3713, 3714, 3715, 3716, 3717, 3718, 3719, 3720, 3721, 3722, 3723, 3724 converted from G

349, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036, 3937, 3938, 3939, 3940, 3941, 3946, 3950, 3952, 3954, 3955, 3958, 3959, 3965, 3966, 3969, 3970, 3971, 3974, 3975, 3977, 3978, 3994, 3995, 3997, 4000, 4002, 4003, 4006, 4008, 4009, 4014, 4015, 4016, 4020, 4025, 4026, 4027, 4029, 4034, 4035, 4039, 4041, 4045, 4047, 4048, 4050, 4051, 4055, 4056, 4057, 4058, 4062, 4064, 4065, 4066, 4067, 4071, 4072, 4073, 4075, 4076, 4078, 4080, 4081, 4083, 4084, 4085, 4086, 4095, 4097, 4099, 4100, 4101, 4102, 4107, 4108, 4109, 4110, 4112, 4113, 4114, 4115, 4117, 4119, 4122, 4124, 4125, 4128, 4134, 4135, 4136, 4137, 4138, 4139, 4140, 4142, 4145, 4146, 4148 converted from H

1437, 1438, 1439, converted from? built as J?
1891, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925 converted from? built as J?

1015,1016, 1017 converted from K?

1900

1100, 2688, 2701, 2706, 4229 converted from G

291,343, 951, 984, 1213, 1217, 1220, 1235, 1246, 1247, 1249, 1252, 1259, 1291, 1297, 1495, 1499, 1509, 1516, 1522, 1523, 1932, 1934, 1985, 1991, 2008, 2063, 2079, 2081, 2255, 2256, 2275, 2276, 2280, 2285, 2295, 2311, 2331, 2333, 2342, 2354, 2358, 2360, 2386, 2413, 2431, 2434, 2749, 2755, 2756, 2757, 2759, 2763, 2765, 2772, 2773, 2780, 2784, 2788, 2790, 2791, 2792, 2794, 2795, 2800, 2802, 2803, 2804, 2805, 2806, 2807, 2808, 2809, 2810, 2811, 2812, 2813, 2814, 2815, 2816, 2817, 2818, 2819, 2820, 2821, 2822, 2823, 2824, 2825, 2826, 2827, 2828, 2829, 2830, 2831, 2832, 2833, 2834, 2835, 2836, 2837, 2838, 2839, 2840, 2841, 2842, 2844, 2845, 2846, 3068, 3074, 3090, 3108, 3129, 3162, 3902, 3904, 3907, 3912, 3914, 3917, 3918, 3930, 3931, 3932, 3934, 3935, 3967, 3985, 3987, 3988, 3993, 4017, 4018, 4019, 4028, 4031, 4033, 4036, 4040, 4042, 4054, 4069, 4087, 4091, 4094, 4111, 4123, 4132, 4138, 4141, 4147, 2777
converted from H

4241, 4242, 4249, 4252, 4253, 4255, 4258, 4262 converted from I

4900, 4918, 4921 old J's renumbered F90 to J4918

98, 176, 291, 1903, 3937, 3955, 3969, 3977, 3980, 3981, 3995, 4000, 4002, 4006, 4008, 4016, 4027, 4035, 4051, 4055, 4062, 4073, 4076, 4086, 4095, 4101, 4108, 4109, 4113, 4119, 4135, 4137, 4142, 4146, 4148 to class H

2720, 2738, 2740 to G

142, 349, 1437, 1439, 1911, 1919, 1923, 1924, 1925, 3950, 3978, 4075 no longer in stock.

The post 1900 changes.

By the end of 1909 all of the Type 1 and 2 wagons had gone. I don't known whether any of the Iron tanks themselves were transferred to other chassis but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

1903

103 sold for £80.0.0.

1077, 1897 to JETTY 217, 212 Both numbers used for new HA in 1905

19041069, 1070 numbers used for new H later HA
1905

One J class sold for £80.0.0.

141, 1063. 1064, 1075, 1891, 1894, 1898, 1899, 4249, 4253, numbers used for new H later HA

4255 number used for new D

1906

J2 and four other J class wagons sold.

1907

2, 4, 1074, 1892, 1896, 2718 numbers used for new BB

103 (sold 1903) number used for new B

140 number used for C

1932 to Hopetoun

1908205, 1066, 1067, 1068, 1071, 1072, 1073, 1076, 1438, 1895, 1900, 1902, 4229, 4241, 4242, 4252, 4258, 4262, 4918 numbers used for new GC
Before 1909

293, 294, 907, 922, 1275, 1286, 1289, 1294, 1506, 1511, 1515, 1521, 1525, 1532, 1944, 1979, 2073, 2257, 2302, 2310, 2325, 2343, 2369, 2372, 2400, 2401, 2406, 2415, 2431, 2764, 2787, 3038, 3048, 3134, 3143, 3158, 4007, 4012, 4027, 4030, 4148 converted from H

468, 844, 1078, 1171, 2511, 3804 converted from G

1909

3, 1065 sold to Kalgoorlie Boulder Firewood Co and Murchison Firewood Co.

984, 2788 to class H

1100, 1246, 1499, 1904, 1905, 1909, 1916, 1918, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1934, 1985, 2026, 2028, 2032, 2035, 2036, 2256, 2285, 2311, 2360, 2434, 2674, 2675, 2691, 2694, 2695, 2696, 2697, 2698, 2702, 2703, 2704, 2705, 2707, 2708, 2709, 2710, 2711, 2712, 2714, 2772, 2777, 2816, 2822, 2823, 2827, 2829, 2834, 2837, 2838, 2839, 2844, 2845, 3090, 3108, 3129, 3709, 3711, 3712, 3719, 3914, 3931, 3941, 3946, 3967, 3988, 3997, 4017, 4019, 4028, 4039, 4058, 4066, 4085, 4097, 4125, 4132, 4136, 4139, 4140, 4147 to class G

1249, 1259, 1509, 2079, 2081, 2688, 3074 no longer in stock.

From 1910 some members of all of the NZR underframe types above were given new 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks (type 6). This was a long lasting group.

There were fewer variations on the GC type underframe. Fifty purpose built tankers (7847-7856) on the GC underframe (type 11) only lasted from 1911 to 1913 when they were converted to M class wagons. They are not considered here. Other variations on he GC underframe didn't appear until the 1950's

1500 gallon J at Roebourne. Photo B Norris

1910

1929 converted from H

1506, 2034, sold to Smith & Timms

1901 sold to Murchison Firewood Co.,

1893, 4025, 4900 to class G

1171, 1220, 1991, 2008, 2024, 2275, 2333, 2342, 2719, 2804, 3718, 3804, 3918, 3994, 4018, 4041, 4067, 4081, 4084, 4111, 4123, 4128, 4145 converted from J to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

4108, 4111 sold to Smith & Timms (check 4108 vs 4018)

New 4108 and 4111 built

1911

341, 352, 454, 489, 508, 520, 798, 800, 1087, 1089, 1102, 1452, 1472, 1943, 1983, 2391, 2461, 2468, 2480, 2496, 2543, 2550, 2576, 2617, 3737, 3761, 3787, 3795, 3802, 3805, 3814, 3833, 3862, 3872, 4011 converted from G to 1312 gallon tanks

346, 466, 525, 849, 860, 882, 1115, 1144, 1464, 1980, 2483, 2536, 2548, 2586, 2695, 3031, 3079, 3166, 3659, 3733, 3739, 3763, 3766, 3769, 3775, 3783, 3853, 3881 converted from G to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

343, 1289, 1495, 1906, 1915, 2386, 2413, 2415, 2431, 2511, 2715, 2803, 2828, 3938, 3966, 3971, 3974, 4069, 4100 converted from J to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

1912

477, 479, 492, 496, 519, 840, 841, 847, 851, 877, 1082, 1083, 1088, 1136, 1143, 1157, 1484, 2434, 2459, 2467, 2499, 2500, 2520, 2521, 2524, 2567, 2605, 2610, 2626, 2627, 2645, 2669, 2679, 2722, 2724, 2729, 3045, 3149, 3663, 3668, 3699, 3745, 3776, 3793, 3818, 4132, 5180 converted from G to 1312 gallon

919, 942, 946, 1028, 1029, 1927, 1946, 1949, 1990, 1994, 2308, 2317, 2323, 2327, 2362, 2384
2389, 2416, 2751, 3056, 3083, 3117, 3137, 3905, 3923, 3961, 3982, 4144 converted from H to 1312 gallon

509, 523, 861, 1106, 1108, 1443, 1448, 2032, 2541, 2555, 2588, 2653, 2667, 2705, 3163, 3681, 3696, 3791, 3828, 3875 converted from G to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

354, 1952 converted from H to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

1908 to class G

8819, 8820 (formerly 4108, 4111), 8821, 8822 ex Smith & Timms Port Hedland

1913

468, 1294, 1297, 1525, 2025, 2031, 2401, 2755, 2759, 2763, 2780, 2791, 2805, 2807, 2810, 2811, 2825, 2840, 2841, 3710, 3713, 3720, 3902, 3970, 3993, 4015, 4026, 4033, 4045, 4078, 4080, 4112 to class M

1914

456, 799, 1246, 1509, 1904, 1916, 2256, 2615, 2690, 2696, 3059, 3094, 3101, 3152, 3711, 3770, 3860 converted from G to 1312 gallon

500, 2479 converted from G to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

1915

340, 507, 1475, 2844, 2618, 2711, 3753, 3831 converted from G to 1312 gallon

2497 converted from G to 1500 gallon cylindrical tank

508, 2434 to class M

1916

1275 to class M

2719 to WAGR Mill

19171102, 1511, 1522, 2325, 2524, 2713, 3068, 3162, 3904, 4014, 4040, 4047, 4071 to class M
19184122, 4134 to class M
1919

946, 951, 1029, 1087, 1088, 1452, 1475, 1914, 1944, 1946, 1949, 1983, 2033, 2063, 2358, 2391, 2461, 2480, 2711, 2724, 2751, 2756, 2757, 2765, 2794, 2795, 2800, 2812, 2832, 3038, 3045, 3711, 3714, 3722, 3745, 3787, 3802, 3805, 3814, 3934, 3952, 3959, 3985, 4012, 4042, 4054, 4107, 4114, 4141, 5180 to class M

8832 ex L fitted with 1630 gallon tank (Port Hedland)

1920

2693 written off

2483, 2511, 3938, 3971 for oil use at stores.

1923479, 520, 1291, 1516, 2255, 2354, 2499, 2617, 2746, 2809, 2813, 2835, 3707, 3724, 3982, 4029, 4030, 4031, 4034, 4056, 4064, 4065, 4083 to class H
1924

3938 written off

4087 to class H

1925

3059 to class H

841, 1213, 2696, 2749 fitted with 2025 wooden tanks

Type 7 - one odd vehicle (J77) which in 1926 acquired a 1420 gallon tank with "special joints". It is not known what chassis this wagon used but was probably a NZR type.

By 1926 numbers 294 , 1015, 1017, 1078, 1286, 3703, 3940, 3958 had 1312 iron tanks

In 1925-6 ten of the N.Z.R. underframe wagons acquired 2025 gallon wooden tanks (type 8)

In 1926-1930 some NZR underframe wagons were given a rectangular 1630 gallon tank (type 9).

1926

293, 352, 496, 507, 877, 922, 1082, 1089, 1157, 1509, 1515, 1904, 1910, 1912, 1913, 1917, 1943, 2256, 2276, 2280, 2308, 2323, 2327, 2369, 2372, 2459, 2521, 2605, 2615, 2626, 2672, 2701, 2749, 2806, 2808, 2815, 2824, 2826, 2831, 3056, 3137, 3663, 3699, 3704, 3723, 3770, 3905, 3939, 4020, 4110 converted from J to 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks

1246, 2319, 2671, 2842, 3152, 3721, 3930 fitted with 2025 gallon wooden tanks

1246, 1252, 2317, 2467, 2671, 2842. 3152 to PWD Dwarda

341, 456, 519, 799, 1994, 2400, 2468, 2500, 2610, 2729, 2773, 3158, 3761, 3862, 4099 fitted with 1630 gallon steel tanks (type 9)

77 fitted with 1420 gallon tank with "special joints" (type 3)

340, 477, 798, 847, 851, 1136, 1217, 1235, 1484, 1907, 1916, 1990, 2310, 2331, 2343, 2362, 2416, 2618, 2627, 2673, 2679, 2699, 2706, 2722, 2790, 2836, 2844, 3083, 3117, 3134, 3668, 3701, 3705, 3706, 3716, 3721, 3793, 3795, 3833, 3860, 3872, 3912, 3917, 3923, 3930 3954, 3961, 3965, 4011, 4048, 4057, 4091, 4094, 4115, 4132 converted to HB

1927454, 1028, 1472, 3831, 3935, 4003, 4102, 4124 to HB
1928

1509, 2667, 3723 to JWA(Shell)

2690 to HB

19291089, 1448, 1952, 2605, 3079 to JWA(Shell)
1930

77, 1927, 2029, 2257, 2496, 2576, 2692, 2792, 3708, 4921 to HB

19314523-4529 ex PWD Dwarda (2025 gallon wooden tanks but may include two 1312 gallon wooden tanks ex 1252, 2467). However, a document listing the wagons taken over from the PWD in 1931 records all of these as 2000 gallon wooden tanks. Only 4529 had a vacuum cylinder fitted.
1932

258, 8789, 8791, 8796, 8799, 8804 ex H Port Hedland

8821, 8822 to class H Port Hedland

19332384, 2389, 2520, 2567, 3101 to GL
1934

258 to H Port Hedland

229 ex H Port Hedland

877 converted to use for oil (Geraldton)

492, 3094, 4050

840, 1521, 2645, 3737 to JETTY 299, 293, 290, 294

1935

489, 844, 942, 1016, 1083, 1143, 2030, 2406, 2483, 2543, 2550, 2669, 2700, 2784, 2814, 2820, 2830, 3715, 3776, 3932, 3975, 4009, 4072, 4144, written off (2 others were 1500 gallon tanks apart from 2483)

4524, 4527, 4529 (one of these was a 2025 gallon wooden type) written off

3818 to JETTY 442

1936

1213, 3696 converted from 2025 gallon wooden type to 1312 gallon rectangular iron tanks

3149 written off

1937

1929 written off

2276, 2719 to Railway Mill stock. 2719 had been at the Mill since 1916

919, 1979, 4523, 4525 to JETTY 494, 505, 495, 506

1938343, 1443, 2415, 2431 to JW. They had been used for Waste oil since 1928
1939

841, 2749, 4526, 4528 to JETTY 445, 446, 447, 448

1940500, 1495, 1917, 2323, 2701, 3769, 3875, 3905 sold to Commonwealth Railways as their NTSB class
19411523, 3753 written off
19422802, 4007 to JETTY 583, 584 although both may have been Jetty stock since 1940.
1943

232 ex H

907, 1932 written off Hopetoun

4123 written off (also possibly Hopetoun)

8832 to HA

19442431 ex JW
1947 1289, 3739 written off
1948

2716 to JETTY 503

The final variation on the N.Z.R. underframe was the 1600 gallon tank fitted from 1950-1953. In 1950-3 many old wagons were fitted with new cylindrical 1600 gallon tanks:

2295, 2787, 2819, 3717, 3907, 4117 converted from 1312 gallon wooden tanks to 1600 gallon cylindrical tanks.

1078, 1213, 1286, 2302, 2362, 3940 converted from 1312 gallon iron tanks to 1600 gallon cylindrical tanks.

1515, 2431, 2588, 2672, 3681, 3763 converted from 1500 gallon cylindrical tanks to 1600 gallon cylindrical tanks

341, 519, 799, 2468, 3158, 3761, 3862 converted from 1630 gallon rectangular tanks to 1600 gallon cylindrical tanks

J2468 at Collie.

1950

229 written off

1017 to JETTY 26

1951

232, 1106, 2548, 2808, 2826, 3775, 3853, 8789, 8791, 8796, 8799, 8804, 8819, 8820 to PWD Port Hedland

1953

2610 written off

2833, 3143 to JETTY 888, 887

1954

294, 456, 860, 1115, 2803, 3987 written off

1955

2846, 4148 to JETTY 95, 91

2817, 3958, 4099, written off

1956

293, 496, 509, 1532, 2626, 2729, 2773, 3700, 3703, 3828, 4027, 4111 written off

1958

1144, 1464, 1913, 3881, 4110, 4128 to JXA

800, 861, 1904, 1980, 1994, 2500, 2536, 2555, 2705, 2717, 3783, 4018 written off

1959

525, 877, 922, 1910, 1915, 2369, 2372, 2459, 2497, 3056, 3663, 3696, 3704, 3994 to JXA

354, 2280, 2400, 3974 written off

1960

2818 written off

2413 to 1600 gallon tank

Many of the older tankers were replaced by new 1600 gallon tankers on wooden GC chassis (type 12) built from 1953-5. One of these wagons (J9156) had a steel GC type underframe (type 13). There was also a single 1650 gallon wagon (J7323)on GC underframe which had an old P class boiler barrel for the tank (type 14). These types based on the GC all have their own separate pages and so are not considered further here.

1961

1078, 2511 to JOA

2821 written off

1962799, 849, 1943, 2024, 2333, 2579, 2586, 2819, 3166, 3699, 3702, 3718, 3733, 3791, 3918, 4041, 4069, 4081, 4084, 4100, 4145 written off
1963

1220, 2032, 2615, 2806, 2831, 3031, 3048, 3770, 3966, 4020, 4067 written off

3137 to NS

1964466, 2256, 2386, 2695 written off
19652541 written off
19661906 to NS
1967507, 2008, 2275, 2327, 2653, 2787, 3163, 3804, 3971 written off
1968

352, 2073, 3766 written off

19701108, 2824 written off
1972

1515, 1912, 2295, 2302, 2672, 2696, 3659, 4036, 3763, 4117 written off

1973

346, 523, 882, 1015, 1082, 1157, 2308, 2521, 2804, 2815, 3158, 3717, 3940 written off

1974

2715 written off

2413 fitted with CXA underframe 519 and 1213 also done at around 1973-4

19751171, 1286, 2431, 2468, 3681, 3939 written off


Once the steam era was over the demand for water tanks was much reduced but not eliminated. From 1968 some of the 1600 gallon tanks from older J class wagons were fitted onto CXA class chassis to produce a final group of four wheeled water tanks (type 15) used for chromate water for diesel engines. This type based on the CXA chassis has its own separate page and so is not considered further here. Known conversions from older types included 519, 1213 and 2413 (re-framed in 1973-4) but some of the other final survivors may also have had CXA frames from the 1970s. The last survivors in this group of J's were:

19782588 written off
19791247 (last of the wooden tanks).
19823907 written off
19833862 written off
1984341 written off
1991 1991, 2342, 2828, 3761 written off.
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